Vanilla is a podcast about diversity in Utah put on by Utah Business, with each episode focusing on a different aspect of diversity in Utah.

Episode five of this six-part podcast will focus on the politics of inclusion in Utah. This episode stars guests James Jackson, III with Zion’s Bank and the Utah Black Chamber; Emma Houston, the director of the Salt Lake County Mayor’s Office of Diversity and Inclusion; Derek Kitchen, Utah state senator; and Jackie Biskupski, mayor of Salt Lake.

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